Sonia Tully: 0:06

Welcome back everybody to another episode of it's all related, where we talk about what it means to truly live an intuitively guided life. Hi, I'm Sonia Tully, here standing in for mommy, Sonia Choquette, and here with my gorgeous sister, Sabrina in London. Hi, Sabrina, how are you?

Sabrina Choquette: 0:25

Cece, I'm so happy to be here with you today. I know

Sonia Tully: 0:30

what an absolute delight I feel like I always love we get to have a little bit of a sister conversation. Kiki. Hello. Kiki, whoa. Sweet. How are you? How was your week been? You know, overall, my week's been pretty dang good. If I can, I actually got to go with one of my good friends this week, nah, one of my besties, and she invited me to break fast with her family on Saturday. They are Muslim and observing Ramadan, and it was just so delightful to be here in New Orleans and then just be transported into this like beautiful, sweet container of a culture that's just something that I don't get to really be a part of very often. We had beautiful Ramadan dinner. We broke fast mommy went to the mosque, and we went to the Ramadan market. And I just am so delighted when I get to see how other people connect with the divine.

Sabrina Tully: 1:39

Yeah, totally I'm living in Ramadan married to a Muslim man, so every day is Ramadan day at my house for this month. It's lovely that it's funny how different people show up differently to things, in the sense that I can see that that's like a very feminine energy to create the beautiful they call that Iftar dinner, which is when they break their fast. But Ahmed's more utilitarian, so we're not doing a lot of it's kind of up to me to create the magic, and because it's not my culture, it's a harder thing for me to do, so usually around mid month, we just sort of look at each other and I'm like, okay, like, you just tell me what you want for dinner. Like, I'll do my best to try to make some magic, but it's hard to keep it up for a whole month, you know, it's basically a month of Christmas, you know, every day and yeah, and when you're not living, we have a few friends that he can kind of participate in, but he's also just like working and with two kids. So it's like we often say, you know, it's a, it's a hard, it's a, it's a long, hard month. So I love that you had the kind of the peak Ramadan experience, because, you know, that's not always what it gets to feel like every single day, you know.

Sonia Tully: 3:06

So that's low. I mean, I mean, for 40 days, it's a long time. It reminds me of it's

Sabrina Tully: 3:11

not quite 40 days. It's usually our lunar calendar. So it's about 2829

Sonia Tully: 3:16

days, it's a long time. 30 days, I think

Sabrina Tully: 3:21

would be pushing it. It would be pushing it.

Sonia Tully: 3:24

I mean, I guess I was Moses in the desert for 40 days. Well, that reminds me when I was in college, I studied abroad in Strasbourg, France, and I was a bit, I was a bit of a loner. I remember just feeling so homesick, which now, in retrospect, I'm like anxiety. I was like a sensitive baby. I could have just like, dropped in to France, but I was like, I, you know, and my

Sabrina Tully: 3:50

dating someone, and he was back home.

Sonia Tully: 3:55

I was like, my first love friend now, and even now as an adult woman, I look back and I'm like, Sonia, why were you so hung up? But when you literally, yeah,

Sabrina Tully: 4:10

you just have so many emotions. You know, I think that you're just experiencing emotions, and they're so powerful and they're so intense. So it's like, totally I can look back from my 36 year old brain and think, What was that about? But at the time, you're just like, I'm on Mr. Toad's wild ride of my my emotions and experience and energetic like being connected to somebody in that way. So I Yes, but tell me you are in Strasbourg.

Sonia Tully: 4:41

But anyway, I was in Strasbourg, and I remember, you know, I love listening to music. And I was sitting by the river, missing and wanting, like, my friends and community. And I remember just like, saying like my guides and my angels. I was like, All right, I need, like, I need help. I want some help to drop in and meet some people. And I was listening to music on the. Riverside, when all of a sudden this gentleman approached me, and you know, just as a young woman slash a woman in general, when, like, random men approach you, it's always like, what's your stranger danger? What's your deal? Like, what do you want? What do you want? Any What do you want? Like, are you trying to hit on me anyway, it was actually this gentleman, somebody listening to and I was like, nothing. He's like, Well, I really love music. So we start talking. I I give him my headphones. His name is Eboo, which is owl in the least, wasn't he? Yep, yep. And he was so kind, so wonderful. Just welcomed me in with open arms. And one of you know, after we had our conversation. We go, we meet for tea. I would we would talk about the difference between Western culture and and like free culture in France and the West versus in Senegal and North Africa. We're talking about community. We're talking about all these different things. And it was just he was truly a delight. So he invites me to dinner. He's like, I want to invite you to dinner. And I'm like, I would love to come to dinner. That sounds fantastic, but of course, as a young woman, I bring my friend Aaron with me. And good choice, of course, always, you know, I don't know I'm going to a third location. I don't know where we're going, so I'm like, Aaron, we're going. We are going to my friend's house, and I am chronically late. I have terrible add I just am also not always on the earth plane. And so I am now running late for dinner, and then I have to go pick up Aaron, and now I'm running super late. And I remember texting you, boo and just being like, hey, like, we're on the way, and I'm 45 minutes late show up at the house because I didn't know where I was going. I knock on the door, I walk and I then all of a sudden notice how beautifully decorated the house is, and there's candles and like, this big meal that's been sitting and I'm like, the vibe is off, and I realize they've been waiting for you. We're breaking fast Ramadan dinner that Eboo did not could

Sabrina Tully: 7:05

have given me a heads up. These

Sonia Tully: 7:08

sweet people, Tunisian, Sonia Goliath. I mean, they could not have been warmer or more welcoming. Had been sitting for 45 minutes. Can you imagine not eating and

Sabrina Tully: 7:20

drinking all day? To me show it, I would,

Sonia Tully: 7:23

I would bad vibe the crap out of me. I would be like,

Sabrina Tully: 7:27

Oh my god, poor everyone, including you. But I just, I think back, I really feel like you could have given us a heads up. Boo Boo. Give me a heads up. Everybody hasn't eaten since the since 5am 4am most likely, they were

Sonia Tully: 7:53

so gracious about it. But I just think of, as you get older, of just even being aware, of just even being conscious

Sabrina Tully: 8:03

and paying because for me, I have so much anxiety when I'm late, even if I'm three minutes late to a location. I my anxiety I have. Mom always says I arrived at 830

on my due date, 8: 8:21

30am on my due date, she was like, you were so on time, like you just came on time you were like, the day I was expected. I was there. No waiting, no, no induction, no, no induction. Needed. Due Date arrival. Here I am, and I feel like the

Sonia Tully: 8:44

portal appointment. I got my portal Earth side appointment

Sabrina Tully: 8:48

two weeks late. Yeah, Sonia was two weeks late, and I literally came at 830 on my due date because I was just like, I gotta get this show on the road. I have anxiety. So I do feel like, for me, I probably wouldn't have been at 45 minutes late, but you do have a bit of time blindness, sometimes rare, and especially at that age, you know, when you're still just trying to figure out, you know, how to put your shoes on correctly to show up for dinner. You know, to me, I'm like, 1920 year olds are babies still. They're just bait. When I look at a 1920 year old, I'm like, You are still a little person navigating a big world, and even now at 36 I'm like, I have this conversation all the time with Sufi where she'll say to me before she goes to bed, when I'm x age, will I still be your baby? And I'll be like, yes, she'll be like, when I'm yesterday was when I'm 44 will I grade your baby? And I said, Yes, I will. Then we have to calculate how old I will be when she's that age, and then she'll be like, Oh, you're gonna be so old. Like, you'll be so. And then she'll cry, and then we have to talk about, we're just going through that process where she's five now, so she's kind of grasping time, and that people are here for a certain amount of time, and she came home kind of cranky from school today. And what I got out of her eventually was that they were talking about, they were talking about artists that had passed away. And I don't totally understand why the passed away part was a part of it, but that was a part of whatever poets, no poets and artists who had passed away and that she had picked. She had picked an artist that she really liked a sculptor, a woman whose name began with a T. This is much it for me. It's like trying to it's like trying to squeeze information out of a dry lemon, sometimes, sculptor whose name began with a T, that she really liked her she said, I love her sculptures. I love what she made. And then I said, Were you sad that she passed away? She was being really emotional, like feeling super emotional. And she said, not really, because I didn't know her. And then later, we kind of circled back around that maybe she was a bit well, you know, I was a bit sad she had passed away. So it was like just navigating, like emotions and trying to help her sort out why she was. Because when she walked through the door, baby R has, like a baby cell phone, and she went up to the baby cell phone and kind of like, put her foot on it, like she was gonna step on the cell phone. And I was like, oh, that's like, saucy. That's like, Yeah, okay. Like, what's going on there? And then she was like, I wasn't gonna touch it. I wasn't just gonna put my foot on it lightly. And then it was like, okay, that we that we talked about the poet, artist, and, you know, it's just, I feel like so often as adults, we forget that things are complicated, like even navigating our own inner worlds, outer worlds. It's complicated like I imagine little you in Strasbourg, like I do remember, the sweetest thing is we went and visited you at we went and visited you at Thanksgiving, and you had basically like only been eating basalt. We were there for you were there, and you were so cute, because you had definitely rounded out in an adorable way on while we were there, totally that's what you should be doing in your time abroad. You should be enjoying all the food and just enjoying but I remember when we saw you, I was just like, You were so cute, like you just looked like a little baby who had been, you know, eating croissants without her parents telling her that that was probably too many.

Sonia Tully: 13:13

Gosh, no. What's so funny, the two things that I'm thinking about, even just there very fast, is, I remember going to France. I mean, like, all right, I'm gonna be in like, my hot girl era. I'm gonna, like, work out. I'm gonna do all these different things and, and, of course, I love a croissant. What in France, what in Rome? And I had this tiny notebook that I would be like, Okay, I'm gonna, like, track my food. I'm gonna, like,

Sabrina Tully: 13:36

trust me, so 20 year old girl behavior, so, like, right?

Sonia Tully: 13:41

And like, so early, 2000s like, just, like, just so funny to think about now. But so you I probably still have this notebook somewhere, but you would say, like, morning, Apple, lunch, yogurt, dinner, and then you'd see what I would get out of school. And I would be like, one full baguette, one whole packet of cookies,

Sabrina Tully: 14:04

which is just like, just so funny, like your control under the day, just like you lose control, you start, you start with the apple, you start with the and then By the end all of gorgonzola, it's a full baguette, it's a wheel. Gra it's a full cake or a little and I can also just make my harder, because you were probably so anxious. And also just like self soothing about food, you know, oh, my heart, my God. Totally beyond study abroad, a part of 100%

Sonia Tully: 14:43

I also, you know this, just this conversation, just also reminds me of how we come in as as spirit. It's like there's one spirit, but how it manifests so uniquely through each and every one of us. Like your spirit, that's so. Grounded and like, timely and like

Sabrina Tully: 15:02

beautiful, sometimes crazy and like intense, sometimes, yeah, I guess grounded

Sonia Tully: 15:08

in the sense of, like, home, I guess, yeah, when I think of grounded, I don't necessarily mean always energetically grounded. I mean it as in how when I'm in your home, or, like, in physical spaces or with you, there is an energy to you. Always, like, emotional, yeah, I'm

Sabrina Tully: 15:29

a nurse. I like to cook for you. I like to take care of you, tuck you in, do those and now always, doesn't matter how old I was, I was always doing that

Sonia Tully: 15:40

from Yeah, a time you were a baby. I mean, you were in the garden, you were cooking food, you were tucking in the babies. You loved the babies. I have, like, pictures of you as like a little person, and you would just put your hand on a baby. You just halt. You did, just

Sabrina Tully: 16:02

let me touch the baby. Let me just be around this baby. I loved babies. It's really funny now that I have babies and beauty, it's, it's, it's funny though, now that I've had two babies, and I've had so much fill of babies, that now when I see babies, I'm not so into babies anymore, because I'm just, like, been so knee deep in babies that I'm like, so much babies,

Sonia Tully: 16:28

yeah, it's a bit too

Sabrina Tully: 16:30

soon, but I love them. I love them. I love them because they're just pure little you know, it's my favorite thing right now. Baby R is 13 months older, 13 months old right now, almost 14, and her new thing is, she says, Okay, so, like, we'll get her something. And she's just started. She just learned the word Okay, and, and we'll be like, Baby Hoa, do you want? Do you want a piece of bread? And should just say, Okay. Like, it's so sweet. Talk about spirit. Like we do come in with our own flavor, with our own brand, with our own energy, with our own special spicy sauce, like every single one of us is so individual and unique, and having had now these two wildly different children who are drastically different, even in kind of like Sufi, when she comes home, she's so Pisces, like, she comes in, she drops her stuff, she has a cry.

Sonia Tully: 17:30

Usually we have like, like, a couple minutes of just a moment

Sabrina Tully: 17:35

a moment we're just crying a little bit. We don't really know why we're crying, but we just need to decompress the day a bit, and we have to take our tights off, and we've got to, like, just cry a little bit, process a little bit move through the space, a little bit have a snack. Then she says, I need some time alone, so that we get her five minutes by herself. My favorite is, mom has a new magazine, spirituality and health magazine that came out, and I found her in the office reading mom, spirituality and health magazine, Sufi, reading mom, the man on the cover, you know, so I'm just like honoring that, whereas I could Even just tell now, already Ara has a completely different like over the weekend, it was Sufis birthday party, and there was a room full of parents in this party. And at this age, Sufi would kind of just look at everybody, but not really talk to them, not really smile at them, just be taking them in very seriously. We used to call her the Romanian dictator, because she would just kind of mean mug not not give it up. Where Ara she goes, she points at every single person and is like, hold me. So then she just got passed around the room amongst these moms, like, I swear, 16 women held Ara at that party, and that was not me. That was Ara pointing to different like, your turn to hold me, your turn to hold like this, like how social she is and how much and how much she's waving at everybody and blowing kisses to everyone. And it's just like wildly different spirits we come in so unique. Each one of us, even if you have the same parents, the same genetics, the same like you and I, are so different. Even though we're kind of made from the same soup, we're wildly different meatballs. I

Sonia Tully: 19:37

really love that analogy. I really do, but just Yeah, totally and when we can be aware of, like, what your spirit and temperament is, we can be more kind to ourselves, like for myself and my spirit type, I am more like ephemeral. I'm not totally on planet Earth. I am super dreamy and imaginative and late and slow all at the same time. That's very different than my partner lane, who's like, very grounded he is, kind of can be a rock that doesn't roll at times. And when I first, when I was younger, there'd be times where I was like, oh, I want, I want you to be different in one way or another that I'm really now recognized as my ego. I'd be like, I want you to get more enthusiastic about when I'm sharing something with you or, you know, because I would be like, you know, let's say he shared something that he made I was like, wow, that's fantastic. That's those amazing things that I've ever seen, like, wow. And for him, his thing is like, Wow. That's great. That's wonderful. That's his expression of Woo. And I would be like, Well, you're not giving me enough, and I need all these different things. But meanwhile, he's, like, sat with me and, like, helped me, and I'm just inter like, my ego at all left is like interpreting his his is taking it personally, as opposed to just being like, how he is built is different than me. His Spirit type, how he expresses that energy, is different than me. And instead of comparing and saying this is wrong, of just seeing it as, like, oh, that's just part of who you are. Like, for example,

Sabrina Tully: 21:27

totally, for example. Hoa, no, I was just gonna say, like, I think that it's important that totally, and I agree with you, we can't make a rock roll that's a rock that doesn't roll. Like, if that's, that's the enthusiasm threshold, that's, that's what, but it's if I need enthusiasm that I'm gonna not I'm gonna call you, you know, or I'm gonna call Raul, because sometimes I do need a bit of enthusiasm. Like, wow, that's amazing. That's fantastic. And I think it's important that we let like you're saying, totally letting people be who they are, and celebrating and, and, but we also have the needs we have, and sometimes that for me is I do need a little bit of I do need a little bit of enthusiasm if I, especially if it's something I've created, I would like a little bit of parade. I want, wow. I, as I've said to my husband when we first started dating, I said, I don't think you understand, my birthday is an international holiday, okay? I don't. I don't care what's going on. International Hoa, not national holiday. International holiday. I want the day off. I want you to have the day off. Now, for some people, that's ridiculous. I understand that. I totally get that, that what I'm asking for is above and beyond and over the top. But for my inner child, what I've noticed, if I try to deviate from international holiday, if my ego gets involved and says, You know what, you need less. You can just have a quiet dinner, and he can go to work and that you can just melt down, my inner child has a meltdown. So I'm like, You know what? It's not worth it, guys, I'm really sorry. She's needs an international holiday. We I need enthusiasm. I need these things. Just as you're saying, you know he's never going to be the the Do you know the guy at the parade that has, like, the really loud horn? He's never going to be that guy? You know what I'm talking about. They have those where they're like blowers, and they make that really, they make a ruckus. You know, he's never going to be making a ruckus at the parade, but sometimes I do need a little bit of a ruckus. So if I'm I make sure that I have people in my life to fill that. If my partner's not going to be that,

Sonia Tully: 23:58

yeah, well, just in that same thing of knowing different spirits, because otherwise you'll go to a dry well, for example, with lane, he's his enthusiasm. He's gotten better because I've also been like, I this is what I need be. Like, wow. This is great. This is amazing. But when I need, like, the exactly, I call you. I call if I want to, yeah, I'll call, like, Pauline mother ralu is very enthusiastic. The most enthusiastic mom can be

Sabrina Tully: 24:27

super enthusiastic. Mom can be so, so celebratory and and and generous in that way. For me, the thing about it is I interpret and I receive enthusiasm as generosity from somebody. So when I'm not getting that a lot of the time, I can, I can leave feeling a bit. Parched if I'm not getting enough enthusiasm, like there's a line. So I have myself learned in time, you know, make sure that I'm getting that well, kind of filled with people that will be enthusiastic with me. And a lot of the time, those are my good girlfriends who are really going to you and my good girlfriends, who and mom who are going to celebrate and be really vocal about it with

Sonia Tully: 25:29

me, right, right? Just an aware, you know, of where we can see all, like, see people's spirits, but just see all of people and their capacity, like, even if, you know, if I think of, I don't really have negative people in my life, I can think of, no, we don't.

Sabrina Tully: 25:48

We got to cut them out if we, if we have them, we can't. We just can't. You I truly, my tolerance level at this age is so low for phobis, and as a negative energy, I some my look, anybody that I love, obviously, can be going through a difficult time, or a challenge or and I'm all in and I'm right there if you're going through something, if you're having a hard time, if you're having a hard Day, but that kind of energy that just wants to bring other people down, I have no patience for it. I have no energetic patience for somebody who's just going to be negative or withholding on purpose.

Sonia Choquette: 26:39

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Sonia Tully: 27:38

Yeah, yeah. I mean same at the same time, just where I what I'm even speaking to is just seeing people's capacity. Like I have a lot of clients who have, like, family members or somebody who's in their life that they can't necessarily cut out, that can veer more towards, let's say, negativity. Like I was there talking to one of my clients recently, and she has been a really big transition and moving and relationship. And anyway, her mom tends to be really negative, so there was just a part of and where she loves her mom. And I'm like, Look, your mom is limited in this capability. That's the Filter and Lens through how she sees life, how her ego sees life and negativity can be, you know, whatever the reason why she's not a good person to go ask to celebrate you, yeah, she's gonna accidentally plant seeds of doubt and make you doubt yourself. And it's not personal, it's just what's within her capacity. So if we can accept that, then we can be more intentional and conscious about where we get support and not over like not overlook it, so you don't end up signing yourself as a way to be loving yourself and another not being satisfied,

Sabrina Tully: 29:02

you know, I think that speaks to spirit types, archetypes, also traumas. People have been through their own trauma stuff, and they end up kind of, you know, I'm sure that mom has been through some things that have sort of shaped her to be who she is. And I love what you're saying just about, like, there's an Arabic saying, which is, don't go fish in dirty water. And my husband uses that quite a bit, which is, like, don't interview for pain. Like, don't go looking for the thing. If you know that what you're going to get is going to be really heavy, or un celebratory, or un, you know, enthusiastic energy, or whatever it is, like you just be aware, kind of know, to some degree, who you're dealing with. But maybe we can also look at it from the point like, you know, for you, for example, you're somebody who's so. So creative and passionate and artistic. And if I'm needing some of that, I would go to you, because you would get it. If I'm like, I want to talk about this outfit, or I want to talk about, you know, this idea you're going to be somebody who's going to be totally like, yes, and there and in it with me, where mom is actually really funny. If I go to mom, and I talk to mom about kind of she's like, Yeah, okay, like she doesn't, it's not that she doesn't want to. But, like, for example, I

Sonia Tully: 30:33

was clocking it.

Sabrina Tully: 30:35

I was trying to talk to mom about how I wanted to redesign a room in our house, and I could just tell she was a bit like, Yeah, that's cool. Like, if you want to do that, like, I love that for you, but it's almost like she doesn't operate in that space in the same way I don't explain it. It's like she's just doesn't where. If I called you and I was like, and then I want to move this wall, and I want to do this, and I want to do that, you could, you would be there right with me. But yeah, if I called mom, yes, but if I called mom and I was like, Mom, I want to work on, like, this book. I want to die like, there's a book coming through, mom's like, all over it. So it's almost like we have different flavors of genius. We have different lotus petals of gifts and like, we can identify and look at ourselves and the people in our life and set them up for success. Because last week, when mom was being like, I was trying to talk to mom about this room I wanted to redo, and she was just not. And eventually I was like, oh, right, mom's just on a different channel. Like, this is just not her thing. Interior Design is not her thing. She appreciates and she loves a beautiful room, but she doesn't actually want to know how the sausage is made. Like, mom doesn't, isn't very that's just not her interest in the same way. But she'll love the room and, like, walk in later, Oh, I love what you've done with the place. She's never gonna be like, Yeah, let's talk about the difference of like, if we do it this way or do it that way. So it just makes me realize, yes, we all have like, different gifts, and the more we can kind of see and celebrate them in ourselves and everyone else, then I think we can set each other up for success instead of being frustrated that someone in your life doesn't kind of have that exact version of what it is you really do need.

Sonia Tully: 32:25

Totally, totally. I think about mom at a grocery store versus me and you at a grocery store, like, run away. Mom is like, hers jumping out of her skin,

Sabrina Tully: 32:35

her bag at a grocery store, but you and I are like, in our element,

Sonia Tully: 32:39

oh, especially like a gorgeous market, please drop me off every aisle.

Sabrina Tully: 32:45

I'm up and down. I'm I'm walking in. I'm getting inspired. I'm inspired. I'm here and I'm inspired. What am I gonna make? What am I gonna do? Mom, you walk in. Mom is like, get me out of here. But you walk mom into like a beautiful Soup market in you know, she's loving the spices, the aromas. It's almost like it's her. It's a flavor thing, Mom, it's a flavor. It's not no to shopping. It's just not yes to grocery shopping.

Sonia Tully: 33:19

Yes, yes, yes. And just in that same way of seeing other people's spirit and seeing where they excel. Like, for example, mom is somebody who is incredibly focused lane is somebody both in their spirit, they just can bore in in a specific way. I have a lot more trouble doing that. I because of just like my nature, because of my, like, dreamy nature, I'm on a different timeline. So if I get caught up and compare myself, then I'm doing a disservice to myself. But if I can, like, frame it through my spirit and being compassionate and being like, okay, that's what they're good at. That's not necessarily the bar. I do it my own way. I can set myself up for being more compassionate instead of comparison

Sabrina Tully: 34:07

totally it's like for me, that's one of the reasons why chat GBT actually has been a tremendous gift in my life.

Sonia Tully: 34:14

Because, oh, chat, what's your chats? Name? Chat.

Sabrina Tully: 34:18

Try to call my chat. I a chat, because the men's chat will go off on a channel. Say, chat, pull it in. Rain it in. Chat, you've gone off on a tangent here. Chat, no, I call my chat chat. And chats been so helpful for me, because I realize how much my brain does. I can know all the parts, but the chat will put it together in a way for me that I'm like, oh, right, I just always needed an assistant. Like, that's what I actually needed to thrive and live my best life. Was just somebody to help me organize, because I've got all these parts and all these pieces, but it's like how they get put together. And I think a lot of intuitive people. All a lot of deep feeling. People have the same sense. It's like, it's a lot to live kind of whereas, like mom, she really is an incredible

Sonia Tully: 35:11

organizer, yeah, oh my gosh, 100% mom loves to organize. Mom would come in, even as a kid, she would come into our room, and because a big thing is not being in stagnant energy, like too much color, like even our intuition things organized when things are organized. So mom also just in her the choquettes. The choquettes love an organ. They love like a clean, organized

Sabrina Tully: 35:40

mom's room, and she goes, my room is a mess. And I go, Are you talking about that one box sitting on the floor in the corner over there? She was like, Yeah, and it is that one box. One box was bothering her. So I said, Do you need me to get rid of that box? And she was like, Yes, please,

Sonia Tully: 35:56

mom, in the trash any 30 seconds. Every 30 seconds

Sabrina Tully: 36:03

needs the energy moving, needs it clear, needs it clean, needs it organized, and it's it is. It's like an energetic, emotional, spiritually, internal organization system. Mom is always right, like that, her spirit does need that to function at its top level. Yeah?

Sonia Tully: 36:22

Well, just in the same place of, okay, mom, mom being organized, yeah. Mom would come into our room and spick and span like and just as a kid, just like Dirt Devil, get rid of all of the toys that we weren't playing with, old clothes. But for me, even in my spirits, like I need time, I move a lot slower than she does. So as a kid, it was just like, Ah, Mr. Toads, wild ride. Or I'm like, wait, I want that. And I want that. Also, I can be overly sentimental as well. So we also is one of the things that I appreciate. Like, sometimes, like, we don't need to hold on to the one piece of paper that somebody gave me, like, a million, trillion years ago from like, the front of me, but like in the moment, like, that's my fundamental nature, so needing the balance of that. But of knowing it's like, if we can use even our spirit or intuition to be aware of people's spirit types, like how they are, and I'm not talking about their human ego selves, or just even what they excel at, what your pace, what your nature is, then we can have more compassion and understanding and not through the lens of story. And it's a like for me, it's a good practice of just being like, Okay, what is their spirit like? What's their spirit like?

Sabrina Tully: 37:40

I think it's a good exercise. I think that can be our tool of the week of like, working with identifying the qualities of your spirit first, and then looking at the qualities of spirit in the people in your life and people around you. Like, yeah, for me, my spirit is very nurturing. It's very grounded. It's very much loves beauty, loves to create beauty, loves to dwell in beauty. My spirit can be very fiery. She can be very fiery and grounded at the same time. I'm not that watery, I'm not that emotional. It kind of always catches me off guard. My own emotions can kind of catch me off guard. It's like, I'm like, Oh, I'm actually really emotional about that. But it wouldn't necessarily be my kind of go to which would be like, the the spirit type of a water spirit type. So we have five spirit types, which we might want to just quickly outline. We've got earth, fire, water, air and ether. And they have different qualities. Air is very

Sonia Tully: 38:44

curious. For vocal loves information.

Sabrina Tully: 38:47

Curial in nature, loves information, loves to know about, asks lots of questions. If you're a if you're an air archetype, you're really curious about all the information, all the details you love research. You if you're a fiery arc, if you're a fiery spirit type, you're going to be a fast mover. You're going to want things to happen quickly. You're going to be very passionate. You can be intense.

Sonia Tully: 39:17

You can sort of, you need to move. You need to move,

Sabrina Tully: 39:20

like, not even, I mean, you run around the block seven times in the morning before everybody else is even out of bed. Like you have to be moving all the time. If your earth, you're nurturing. Generally. Like ground cook. Yeah, Earth archetypes like to cook. They like to be in the earth. They like to connect with the earth. They like to garden. That's another thing.

Sonia Tully: 39:42

Somebody's emotional. They'll drop over a casserole. You know, they might honestly cry with you. They'll pat you. They'll be pat you know, help clean your house,

Sabrina Tully: 39:49

hug you. You know, definitely, I feel like Earth archetypes are always very much into what in the physical plane is going to take care. This person like what in the physical is. And then we've got water archetypes, and those are the ones that are the they will they will cry with you. They will feel with you. They're very emotional. They're very

Unknown: 40:14

feeling like water.

Sabrina Tully: 40:17

The other thing I think that's interesting about water is. Water has many, many, many states. It can be a gas, it can be a solid, it can be a liquid. It, you know, it takes on many forms. And I think that watery archetype people can actually be like that. They can be a bit like, emotionally fluid, let's say like, for moment to moment, like you might be emotional one moment, and then you're like, totally fine the next moment, like you might feel something come through you really intensely, and like hot and fast, like a storm would come through, and then it's like, it's over, and then you're back to like, which we do with our day. I think watery archetype. People can be very deeply feeling and deeply sensitive, and then we've got the ethers, and those are crazy makers,

Sonia Tully: 41:09

that's what we say. And they're the ones that inspire change. They disrupt the system. They say like, this isn't working, let's change things up. And it can feel very like chaotic because they come in to change the energy. And I think what's funny

Sabrina Tully: 41:25

about ether archetype people is that they generally don't necessarily identify as such. They don't know they are basically, that's been my experience a lot of the time. I think you have to be very self aware ether to know you're an ether archetype, because they really have to be able to kind of own and possess the crazy. And that's the whole nature of them, is that they don't, it's like, it's, it's moment to moment to moment. It's changing. They're changing. But like you said, it's, it's obvious, it's ultimately quite positive. We need be here in as one of the elements, just as we need all of them. Yeah, and we all,

Sonia Tully: 42:07

not only are all of them important, but first of identifying your own, we all can contain all elements. Like, we might be like, Oh, I'm fiery and I'm watery, but like, think about your predominant we can always be a mix. And you know, if, for example, like as a very watery person, I that's part of my spirit type, I need to call in earth energy of being grounded, of having all of that emotion take form of not being in everybody else's energy. Like, or if you are maybe a Fire Spirit of just moving super fast, you might also need ground, like fire needs a container so you don't burn the house down. You know you're an air spirit, maybe you're taught, you're all in talking. We need to get into our emotions, or our ground of just paying attention to even like what we are, and then what might we call in to balance it as well? Totally inspired. We're totally inspired while accepting our nature. That's our tool of

Sabrina Tully: 43:16

the week is you can identify your quality of your spirit, and then really look at what are the qualities that you'd like to call in more of and what are the qualities of the people in your life who around you identifying. And it can be a fun, curious exercise, and it kind of what I love about is it takes it out of, like, the personal and personality, and it brings it into this more playful, inspired space where we can really kind of love these differences and celebrate them in one another, right?

Sonia Tully: 43:51

Instead of like, why aren't you giving me a ding parade? Right?

Sabrina Tully: 43:54

Why? Where's my parade? It's my national holiday. It's my international holiday today.

Sonia Tully: 44:00

I love it. Well, let's see if our time for our question of the week. If you want to write us, you can write us at it's all related podcast questions. We absolutely love to hear from you. So this week, we have a question from our beautiful listener, Lillian. Lillian writes, I was raised as a Catholic, but I don't relate with a Catholicism. However, when I pray, I always follow Catholic prayers, which don't make sense to me, but that's the only way that I know. I wonder if you can provide guidance or alternatives on how I can connect through prayer. Thank you.

Sabrina Tully: 44:39

Okay, well, I think all prayers are wonderful. I always make the joke that I'm Catholic in a crisis, which means, when I'm really stressed out, I love a Hail Mary. I love an all our father. I love a novena, Infant of Prague, Novena. Um, but I also love mantra and connecting through just direct conversation with God. I'll go on a god walk, and I'll say, Hey, God, I'm struggling with X, Y and Z, or high universe, I'm needing help with this. Or, hey, mother, Mary, it's like whatever day, whatever flavor, all roads lead to Rome for me. So prayer is just being in constant communication with the Divine and calling on support, guidance, clarity. And I think we can get quite kind of like, hung up on what we call God or how we call on God. And truly it, I think that is pretty it's, it's, it's more about what resonates with you than what is the right way to do it so and for me, day to day to day, that can shift, and that can change. For me, some days, I'll put on mantra I love listening to, like Krishna Das, and I'll do some RAM Sita, you know, I'll get down to a really good, you know, Ram Sita prayer, 15 minute song. And for me, that day, that's my prayer. And for some days, it's, I'm doing the Hail Mary. So it's, I really, I encourage you to not think of this as kind of right and wrong, and instead, approach from the that you get to, you get to discover what your relationship with the divine is going to be, and you consider prayer just opening up that portal of support and that portal of guidance from the universe.

Sonia Tully: 46:43

I, I love that. And I, you know, firstly, to say Lillian, and even if we don't relate with as a Catholic, and you know, as you're saying, I don't relate to Catholicism. You know, prayers, bold energy. So instead of having to look through the council. Does this resonate with my heart, my spirit, and if and and the most important thing is about connecting, because even just the repetition of just even as a kid, of how you saying those prayers over and over and over again, it does have a like that ritual has an effect on our physical bodies, of like quieting our mind. Now, if that's not something for you, then guess what? We get to go, as Sabrina said on a walkabout, and trying all sorts of different things, and says, thing, does this connect? How does this feel? Whether it's mantra, whether it's anything, any prayer, any way to pray, even just making up your own one of the things that I recently heard is prayer is a way to lovingly humble our ego and asking for help. And I loved that. And I also recently watched a Tiktok where there was who is? Forget what his name is, Marcelo on SNL, do you know who I'm talking about? Oh, Marcelo Hernandez, yes.

Unknown: 48:07

Marcelo Hernandez, I really love him.

Sonia Tully: 48:10

He was on a episode of this clip, past, this past that puss, this guy, Jake, whatever. But he was saying that yes, he was Catholic, and then led a prayer and was just saying. And what I what really resonated with me was Wow, of the gratitude of prayer as the for him, it was like the practice of like gratitude. Thank you so much for this beautiful day. Thank you for my health. Thank you for all of these different things that were so heartfelt. And I was like, wow, I really do love prayer as the practice of being grateful and asking for help and seeing things go lens for abundance. And then it was the other the co host Jake, and he his prayer was heartfelt, but so different. It was like, thank you so much for making sure that I got the table at the restaurant. And it was just Marcella was just kind of giving him, like a different side eye, but also accepting. So, you know, prayer is just a way to connect. And also, our mom has a really good book, beautiful light your way, which I would highly recommend that you check out. But, you know, just a beautiful question. Thank you so much. Lillian, I feel like the most important

Sabrina Tully: 49:25

I would add before we wrap is that I think that with like Marcelo Hernandez has a very different there are different versions of Catholicism. And I think a lot of the time you can either get, like, the really juicy, like Latin version, which mom was raised in, where she got to, like, do, like, welcome the spirits at the table, and prayer was really kind of like it was latin mass, and it was like, very or our dad was raised in kind of, like, a much more stringent. Confident, Irish, Catholic, austere. So when we say Catholic, it's like there are different flavors, you know, to within. And I would just encourage you to like, take what works for you and leave what doesn't like. You can take you get to pick you can prayer. Can be a buffet. You don't have to do one road, one one approach. You can really pick and choose what what resonates with you for now, and you can create a new relationship for now that. And if you circle back and there are things that do resonate, parts that resonate don't, you know, we don't have to throw the whole baby out with the bathwater, but or we can, or we can throw the whole baby out with bath water. That works too. That's what you want to do. We just support you in developing a beautiful relationship with the divine that really supports you.

Sonia Tully: 50:51

Yeah, and just looking at as I'm opening myself up to something higher than what I know that I can be available for help and support and gratitude and all of those things instantly raise your vibration. However you do it, even if it's as simple as going for a walk in the park with the intention of it being

Sabrina Tully: 51:12

I do prayer, a prayer walk all the time. I'm constantly walking and praying, walking and praying, love it. Help me. Sometimes my prayers just help. Help me. Help me. I don't even know what I need help with, but today I'm struggling, and I need some help. So please help.

Sonia Tully: 51:27

Help. I love that. Well, I just absolutely love talking to you. Sabrina, what an absolute delight. Thank you so much for listening. If you like our podcast, don't forget to rate and subscribe. You can write this question. It's all related podcast questions. We love to hear from you. Send us your topics, your suggestions, your stories. You are our soul family, and we love you so much, we'll see you next week. Love you bean, love you bye, bye. You you.